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  • mick replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 6 days, 22 hours ago

    You’re still ignoring the 1,700 who have been injured by bullets or shrapnel. There’s more if yo want to count the injuries from tear gas etc.

    Are you suggesting these injuries are OK because we got 53 bad guys?

    And by being a member of any jihadi group, is this sufficient to be killed without trial?

    It sort of plays out of Hamas’ hands to, on…[Read more]

  • martin replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 6 days, 22 hours ago

    Hamas have just announced that of the 62 killed on the border, 53 were members of jihadist terrorist organizations.

    See https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-50-of-the-people-killed-in-gaza-riots-were-members/

    this rather blows away all your righteous indignation that the IDF were massacring innocents. Rather it demonstrates that the IDF…[Read more]

  • garygary replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week ago

    The answer is simple. Do everything I could to rid Gaza of Hamas, so that Gaza could live in peace and prosperity with Israel. Hamas are mainly responsible for the desparate state of Gaza. The PA has not helped. And the world, by not recognizing where blame truly lies, has enabled Hamas to make Gaza a hell hole.

  • harry replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week ago

    Many years ago Golda Meir said something like “peace will not come until they love their children more than they hate us”

    Unfortunately I think she was right.

    But you’re right, it takes people on both sides at the same time to compromise and talk.

    There was a chance with the offer Barak made (in 95?) but Arafat rejected it and things have gone…[Read more]

  • carly replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week ago

    The Gazans have lived in their own self governing area since Oslo over 20 years ago. Israel has no claim on the territory. All that Israelis want is for the Gazans to get out of their lives. As a result Israel has established controls over import to Gaza. Most any thing can go in but has to be checked. Only weapons are not allowed (reasonably)…[Read more]

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  • Katy replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    Israeli policy must change, and then Israel can claim to “want peace”. Until then, it is clear to the world that Israel wants violence.

    These are the official Israeli conditions for peace with Hamas. (Taken from the Arab media, to avoid claims of bias)…[Read more]

  • mick replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    Israeli policy must change, and then Israel can claim to “want peace”. Until then, it is clear to the world that Israel wants violence.

  • robbie replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    1. I don’t think we as outside observers can really understand why the troops open fire unless we’re standing there on their side.

    I think we can. The kids pulling the triggers do so because they’re ordered to, they’ve been raised to, fed with a language and narrative of fear, hate and otherness that enables them to keep firing on their fellow…[Read more]

  • tom replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    Note that almost all those killed are young men, and (according their death notices in the Arab media) activists in Jihadi movements.

    @martin Let’s analyse this statement, Jondo reckoned “most” of those killed prior to yesterday the 40+ were Hamas terrorists, you say “almost all”. The evidence Jondo produced was an Israeli newspaper with the…[Read more]

  • elly replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    @martin The problem with

    – consistently showing no regard for proportionality, killing indiscriminately

    – lying about it being “surgical” while the whole world can see it’s anything but

    – refusing to take any responsibility for the situation in gaza

    – repeating the false mantra “Israel wants peace” when the actions of the government show the…[Read more]

  • mark1 replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    I suspect you are equally unaware of what the Syrian army is doing in Yarmouk. A suburb of Damascus, once home to 115,000 descendants of Palestinian refugees, now largely depopulated and destroyed.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/estimated-60-percent-yarmouk-destroyed-violence-group-180427102610652.html

    Quoting from this. Action Group…[Read more]

  • martin replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    Everyone knows a war is chaotic. Sh*t happens. What is happening there is certainly chaotic. And, I think, intended to be. As far as I can make out there are 3 areas. At the back is more peaceful with woman and children and first aid tents. (If chanting kill the Jews can count as peaceful). Hamas is busing people there. and displaying this to the…[Read more]

  • tom replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    This would be fine, but some of these people killed over the last 6 weeks have been nowhere near the fence, so once again it doesn’t really add up Israel saying we’re in imminent danger.

    There’s plenty of footage of people being shot well away from the border fence.

    And we’re not just talking about the 90+ people killed but 2,000 + injured.

  • martin replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    I do agree with you a bit. But what you propose is very risky for Israel. It is impossible to know what an out of control crowd of tens of thousands of angry young men with knives, grenades and hand weapons would do to the Israeli civilian population living on the border if they broke through. Did you see the link where the Gaza PM urges slaughter…[Read more]

  • tom replied to the topic Well done Donald! in the forum Banter 1 week, 1 day ago

    I keep hearing that Hamas are causing this, and it’s a shame that Hamas are forcing the IDF to kill protesters and children.

    But it’s relatively easy to stop, especially with the military might of Israel, you don’t shot into crowds of people on their own territory. If you’re defending yourself you could wait until people are actually at, in, or…[Read more]

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