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  • #100

    sam
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    “Why are we having all these people come from shithole countries come here?”

    Quote not denied by oval office staff.

    Do we have to witness Trump murder somebody before he is removed from power?

  • #101

    Katy
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    Don’t worry, he has cancelled his trip here next month to open the new American embassy.

  • #102

    dave
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    Deliberate “leak” with a pre-planned follow-up. The people offended were never going to vote for him and the people whose support he needs will be encouraged by his tone and the unusually well-prepared White House comment: “Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people,”.

    Anyway, the answer is obvious: the mass driver for emigration is the desire for a better life; the worse the life in your current country is, the better the USA (or any developed country) looks. That’s why not so many Norwegians, Swiss and Luxembourgers are willing to swap everything they have for a chance to work for minimum wage in Miami.

  • #103

    tom
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    That comment isn’t going to get him removed from power. It’s a calculated statement that presents him as a tough guy who says it like it is to his supporters. A bunch of liberals that wouldn’t vote for him anyway are going to react with outrage in exactly the way he wants and make his base even more determined the Democrats won’t get in next time.

    The democrats/liberals are getting played into putting their energy reacting to language rather than focussing on stuff which could actually damage Trump like where the money is going, whether he is mentally capable and what went on with Russia.

  • #104

    jim
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    “We must recognize the full human equality of all of our people before God, before the law, and in the councils of government. We must do this, not because it is economically advantageous, although it is; not because of the laws of God command it, although they do; not because people in other lands wish it so. We must do it for the single and fundamental reason that it is the right thing to do.” – Robert F. Kennedy, June 6, 1966

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” – President Donald Trump, January 11, 2018

  • #105

    sarah
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    The main point of Trump is that he’s a racist. That’s why his base vote for him.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by  sarah.
  • #107

    andypandy
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    @sarah Remember he only got in because of gerrymandering and the quirks of the Electoral college.

    Interestingly talking to some American conservatives I know this morning they have really started to change their views.. their defense was basically ‘I never liked him but he’s not Hillary”.

    Arguing for a competency based immigration system is a valid argument but this is just simply indefensible.

    Personally I think we can do both. I came over on the fiance visa system, the way people who have gone through that process, sometimes for a year or two and then to be denied due to their race is inhumane. Huge life changes have been forced on people purely because of their race. This US is looking disgraceful but its far from the majority who hold these views.

    As Oprah said some people just have to die. There is still a generation who are largely racist. It was the same in the UK but has slowly decreased. We still get pockets of racism but there was widespread racism in the 1950’s and 60’s in the US and those people are still in society.

    Sherriff Joe is running for senate and is yet again saying he has proof Obama is a kenyan.

  • #108

    troll
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    The main point of Trump is that he’s a racist. That’s why his base vote for him.

    @sarah I don’t agree. He got in because a lot of liberals didn’t vote for HRC. Many of us said how bad he would be and they are now seeing it. Its why the Dems just won Alabama of all places (not just Moore’s issues).

    These statements 1. further energize the left but 2. are putting off republicans. I think its now 32 Republican congressman not running for reelection. The average is 24 across both parties.

    These statements do energize some of his base but they lose him support, narrow his base, and further energize the left. The also make it harder for the dems to work with him for immigration reform. Anything long terms needs 60 votes to pass the senate.

  • #109

    Phil
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    That comment isn’t going to get him removed from power.

    @tom Now he’s claiming he didn’t say it. A room full of people were there and Sen Dick Durbin is absolutely clear that he not only used the language as reported but did so repeatedly.

    Surely this makes Trump not only a self-confessed racist but a demonstrable liar (as if we didn’t know already). Such a person isn’t fit to serve on a Parish Council let alone office Trump now occupies.

    Mind you, if it’s hypocrisy you’re looking for, Trump’s mini-me Boris Johnson calling Sadiq Khan a ‘puffed-up pompous popinjay’ takes some beating.

  • #110

    DonaldTrump
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    He’s been a demonstrable liar for the last two years. the man is Teflon.

    The latest news is in 2016 his lawyer paid $130,000 to a porn star to keep quiet that he had sexual relations with her a year after he married Melania..

  • #111

    angrydude
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    Why would calling unspecified countries “shithole” be racist?

  • #112

    sam
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    Why would calling unspecified countries “shithole” be racist?

    @angrydude Seriously? Applying such a word to entire countries and by clear implication all of their inhabitants? And he was referring to specific countries (all predominantly black) while approving the idea of immigrants from Norway (predominantly white, especially in his mind).

    There’s an argument that he’s ‘nativist’ rather than ‘racist’ but it’s a distinction without a difference and certainly a nuance wasted on him.

  • #113

    jimmy
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    Had someone else said it you’d maybe give them the benefit of doubt. Trump has a long history of racism from ‘fine people on both sides’, to calling for the death penalty for some black youths, to his Pocahontas remarks to the Native American war heroes, to all Haitians have aids. And many more. If he’s not he’s making a bloody poor attempt to try to win back black voters who won’t vote for him.

  • #114

    angrydude
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    Seriously? Applying such a word to entire countries and by clear implication all of their inhabitants?

    @sam Which specific countries? And how does referring to a country (unnamed,) implicate it’s residents?

  • #115

    sam
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    @angrydude It’s not just the fact he called those countries shitholes, it’s that he was saying that people from those (predominantly black,) countries shouldn’t be allowed into America.

  • #116

    angrydude
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    @sam can you paste the exact quote? I was under the impression he said something along the lines of “why are we letting all these people from shithole countries in here?”

    There are countries that are shitholes. That’s why lots of people are leaving them. I don’t really have a problem with that description, just what he wants to do about those people who have decided they are not going to waste their lives living in a shithole.

  • #136

    jam
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    can you paste the exact quote? I was under the impression he said something along the lines of “why are we letting all these people from shithole countries in here?”

    That was my thought, though some now claim he mentioned Africa specifically. (Not that Africa is a country of course.)

    There are countries that are shitholes. That’s why lots of people are leaving them. I don’t really have a problem with that description, just what he wants to do about those people who have decided they are not going to waste their lives living in a shithole.

    A debate we are constantly having here in Aus; “should we let in anyone, regardless of their ability to contribute to our society.”

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by  jam.
  • #138

    frosty
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    The reason he’s being called a racist is context – this is hardly a one off incident, rather a continuation of 40 years of racist activities. I suppose you can make an argument that he has an absolute contempt for poor people, compounded by being a germophobe, but generally people go with racist. It’s not just democrats, a lot of republicans think he is too.

    an observation , where do you get your us politics from – US media, or via uk, Australian sources? The latter is quite filtered – the US sites are the places to go.

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