• fred99 replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    The benefits of computerisation appear marginal compared to the potential consequences of introducing technological vulnerabilities and opacity impenetrable to all but computer security specialists.

    Good point about home networks and pcs.

  • andypandy replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    I think allowing people to vote from their own computers over their home networks would be a waiting disaster of almost epic proportions. The computers aren’t secure, many are malware or spyware compromised, and there is basically no way for the voting servers to overcome this.

  • sam replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Stalin apprently said “It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes.”

  • kevinj replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Secure/immutable voting is one possible application of blockchain technology. I believe the Brazilian govt were looking at running their vote on the Ethereum network to cut down on fraud. One token per voter.

  • archer replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    I’m surprised, but in a pleasant way, at how many respondants share my opinion on voting, there’s not many political threads on here I can say that about!

    If you can’t be arsed to walk/drive to your nearest primary school once every five years or at least apply for a postal vote in advance then frankly your opinion doesn’t count for much.

    Having…[Read more]

  • nab replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Exactly. Just innocent coincidence. Honest.

    It’s your link! But it’s also the USA, not the UK. Also, waiting 20 minutes to vote at a polling station in town right beside where you live really isn’t the end of the world, rural voters often take longer than that to get to the polling station.

    I’m a rather rabid believer that voting is important…

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  • carly replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Exactly. Just innocent coincidence. Honest.

    I’m a rather rabid believer that voting is important so it should be easy.

  • nab replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Your link goes on to explain that that is probably not down to racism, though (at least, not directly):

    For example, longer lines correlate with urban areas, and so do black and Hispanic populations. It makes sense that any location with higher population density is going to have more logjams than a rural voting station. (Bolstering the point,…[Read more]

  • andrewB replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    If you want to know, Richard Stallings book has some details of how it could be done. There are more modern schemas. I would say that they are still vulnerable to denial of service attacks

    I would be currently not in favour of it as we have an environment where there are too many government IT systems that are weak. I admit there are some that…[Read more]

  • carly replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    They do that in the US. And just by innocent coincidence ethnic minorities queue longer.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/04/heres-why-black-people-have-to-wait-twice-as-long-to-vote-as-whites/274791/

  • carly replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    It’s possible for experts to design secure systems that will satisfy other experts, but that means nothing to non-experts who are the electorate.

    It’s a bit like justice, Not only must democray be done; it must also be seen to be done.

    Since computers make the process more opaque I don’t think the advantages are worth it.

  • flyguy replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Yeah. There is a case to argue that the person who spares just those few extra minutes travelling to a polling station will have considered how they vote a little bit more.

  • nab replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Perhaps more importantly, how do you stop coercion? Although this is a problem with postal voting, too.

    I’m not sure it’s a good thing anyway, increasing turnout by making it easier to vote. There’s something to be said for discouraging people who don’t care enough to get to a polling station (as long as allowances are made for those with genuine…[Read more]

  • flyguy replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    The question would be how you eliminate multiple voting, with people voting online and in person, or multiple locations. It does need sorting though… as it is quite easy for people to vote in two constituencies now, as there is no central system.

  • chris90 replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Not only there shouldn’t be on-line voting, but there shouldn’t even be electronic voting at all.

  • bigmouth replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Whats funny about e-Democracy and online voting is that most IT security experts are dead against it, but lots of vendors, managers and politicians love it.

    There are only a handful of people capable of designing a secure, verifiable and trustworthy online voting system (don’t get me started on Mobile!); so far, most systems are not even open…[Read more]

  • timo replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Imagine if we did have secure easy and universal electronic voting. We could have a true democracy, rather than just democratic parliament. The government could hold referenda easily.

    The last referendum’s result wasn’t as palatable as the previous Prime Minister wanted, or expected. I don’t think we will be having any more of those for the next…[Read more]

  • garygary replied to the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Yes and yes.

    The online bit is easy, one system could authenticate you and another record your vote. Designed with no way to tie the two together. Whether anyone would, or maybe everyone, would believe that is another matter.

    The harder bit is how to give you a unique code without it being crackable but far enough in advance, but allowing that…[Read more]

  • timo started the topic Online voting? in the forum Banter 3 weeks, 6 days ago

    Could this ever be done in something like a General Election?

    When I vote, its just me and the ballot box, but online, can my vote really be anonymous?

  • andypandy replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 1 month ago

    I’m not sure bleaches and antimicrobial cleaners do leave much of anything behind, the 99.99% claim is more to do with what’s provable than what’s probable. Sure, there probably are some extremophiles that can survive in bleach or other cleaning products but they’re not likely to be found in your kitchen or bog to begin with.

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