#347

robbie
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Seem to have missed the “over centuries” bit in my post. It’s not just our grandparents, but their parents in WW1 and in the many, many generations before that who fought in all manner of conflicts, whether abroad or among rival kingdoms within Britain. If you can’t think on a scale larger and single person and a single lifetime no wonder you don’t understand. I was talking about our population as a whole over the millennium or so it’s taken to forge our nation into what it is today.

@isac I haven’t read the whole thread, but if you argument is the one that gets trotted out all the time – i.e. that the Syrians etc should stay in their own country and fight, then surely it’s really not that cut and dry. How many different rebel groups are involved? Is the government force recruiting from the masses who have lost their homes? Who, in your view, should these people join up with – one of the many rebel groups (if so which one) or the government’s army? I’m not sure what the recruitment policy is for the government’s army in such countries, but maybe it isn’t that simple just to pick up a gun and start shooting on their behalf? Maybe some of the people there just don’t know who to trust, which would hardly be surprising…

You’re right in the fact I’ve not had to personally fight to defend it, largely because of the work done by those which came before us, and that’s a good thing. Hence me saying it may be hard for us to believe that freedom needs fighting for. But as one of the 64 million or so inheritors of this ever ongoing project which is our nation, it’s in part my duty to maintain and hopefully do my bit to improve upon it for the next generation, and so on and so forth. We do this now not by fighting but by being industrious, by creating wealth, paying taxes to pay for an advanced military and supporting fair and democratic governance to ensure our freedom continues.

I agree that we are indeed fortunate to enjoy the freedoms and privileges that previous generations fought for. However, if you look at the recent conflicts our forces have been involved in, they could hardly be genuinely claimed as cut-and-dry battles – good against evil, as they are so often depicted. I wouldn’t put my name down to fight as many of the wars we have fought in during recent decades have been more about protecting commercial interests than anything else. Otherwise, why not more in Zimbabwe and similar places?

But for the record, as unlikely as it would be in modern times for the UK to be having a full-scale civil war or come under invasion from another country, yes if it came to the point where everyone was being encouraged to volunteer or even be conscripted then I would fight for my country, and I’d kill and risk getting killed in the process if need be. I’m just thankful I’ve never had to and probably won’t ever need to.

Who would you fight for in a civil war – what if you didn’t trust any of the warring parties? Out of interest, would you happily have fought elsewhere for our armed forces – like Iraq or Afghanistan for example? I know you may not consider it the same as fighting in a civil war or if we were invaded, but if you’re happy to fight for the nation you cherish, why not sign up for the conflicts abroad? It’s a genuine question…