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    • #932

      fishfaced
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      Is he right?

      My daughter, for a project at school, has been following the progress of Finns Law. Sir CC derailed the second reading of this, just as he has derailed the upskirting bill.

      He has a history of objecting to private members bills generally as he believes the process of these is wrong and not debated properly. Given the news showing a rather sorry looking number of MP’s present at the time, does he have a point? Or should these bills go through? The number of MP’s criticising him when they were not present for the debate suggests he’s right.

      Perhaps the ensuing furore should be directed at those MP’s who don’t turn up.

      I am posting this as my daughter is interested in what others think, especially as you’re the ones who elect them!

    • #935

      fred99
      Participant

      The serious ones may be better than legislation from a government with a strong majority because they have to gather cross party support rather than rely on MPs being unthinkingly obedient to the party line and the government whips.

      It’s just a theory.

    • #936

      kevinj
      Participant

      He’s a dick. End of.

    • #937

      andrewB
      Participant

      I know very little about parliamentary process but judging by his voting history Chope has a remarkable facility for always being wrong.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chope

    • #938

      garygary
      Participant

      I can sort of understand what he was trying to prove (that laws should be well thought out and discussed) I believe in this case, he’s shot himself in the foot by applying his blanket “system” to this specific piece of legislation.

      His history, makes him appear as a awkward bollocks who’s simply trying to mess things up.

    • #939

      mule
      Participant

      It sounds like he’s trying to make a point about a certain aspect of Parliamentary process but he only does it for certain bills. He disguises one agenda with another.

      Overall I think he’s nasty piece of work. His agenda is reactionary in the extreme. I reckon even most Tory MP’s are embarrassed by his antics.

    • #943

      dave
      Participant

      He has tried to use the same parliamentary mechanism to push a bill through to get people to pay for NHS treatment, so it’s not an objection to the mechanism in principle, it’s that he’s an unpleasant individual!!

    • #946

      timo
      Participant

      The thing is he is quite happy to sponsor PMBs when it suits him (by some reckoning dozens of them). Given this he can hardly claim some point of principle when he obstructs others. Further, his track record suggests (pretty much proves actually) his problem isn’t actually process but any sort of progressive law. Finally if he is so bothered by this, what has he done to get the process changed?

    • #947

      gary
      Participant

      He might have a point re: Finn’s Law – as cute and innocent as they are, a dog’s life is not as valuable as a human’s.

      Maybe there is value in having someone who sticks their head above the parapet and challenges popular emotive bills. There’s no way of knowing they are right if you’re not allowed to question them. Would be nice if they read them first though

      • #952

        freddy
        Participant

        Maybe there is value in having someone who sticks their head above the parapet and challenges popular emotive bills. There’s no way of knowing they are right if you’re not allowed to question them.

        Trying desperately to defend the indefensible, I imagine he’s latched onto the old legal cliche ‘hard cases make bad law’. It doesn’t follow that unusually extreme cases that point up an obvious absurdity in the law should be deliberately ignored, of course.

        Would be nice if they read them first though

        Well, yes, that does undermine this defence somewhat.

    • #948

      gala
      Participant

      Once its passed a vote in the chamber a PMB is then subject to the same scrutiny as any other bill. Most PMB fail so it’s not as if the commons vote is just is rubber stamp to legislate against any shitty grievance an MP might have. Have a look at the shitty legislation the govt has enacted that he didn’t vote against to form an opinion on what his true motivations are.

    • #949

      oldguy
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      I’d imagine an MP will have a look at what’s going through the chamber in advance of turning up, or not as the case may be.

      Whether or not they attend will depend upon whether the whips tell them to and if not, whether they feel they’re needed. In this case I imagine most thought the bill uncontroversial and as such it’s passage was assured. For that reason most would decide to get on with something that definitely did require their attention. It doesn’t mean they’re not interested or lazy.

    • #934

      fishfaced
      Participant

      Appreciate your point, I’m sure they do have a fair workload. But he’s derailed a number of bills purely because of this, not the bill itself. The reverse logic would be if those who turn up think the bill is more than reasonable, allow it through and set up a proper debate on the process as a separate issue.

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