• chris90 posted an update 6 months ago

    Fat could soon be the new smoking! https://news.sky.com/story/obesity-could-soon-be-the-new-smoking-cancer-risk-study-shows-11300817

    When this happens and obesity is killing more people than smoking related diseases, should we then expect pictures of obese people bed ridden or unable to move or with amputated limbs on all of our chocolate bars and foods containing high levels of sugar/fat etc ?

    Or should we impose a ban of fatties being able to purchase such items and drive the market underground, like a good government should .

    Just a though .

    I personally love the idea.

    • mule replied 6 months ago

      I like the idea of people being locked up for dealing Curly Wurlys.

    • Except fat doesn’t make you fat. The new tobacco is highly refined carbs and especially sugar.

      • timo replied 6 months ago

        That’s true, but I think the title refers to being fat rather than fat as a food stuff.

      • irk replied 6 months ago

        And that point is being lost. People are still obsessed with calories, which in the form of mono unsaturated fat is completely different from same calorific content of glucose.

        Look how popular low fat yoghurts are. YeoValley low-fat yoghurt 7.5 g sugar 56 kcal / 100g. YeoValley normal yoghurt 5.6g sugar and 82 kcal / 100g.

        So on a calorie controlled diet, 100 kcal of yoghurt you get twice the sugar in the low-fat. It’s common knowledge ready meals are high sugar/salt/fat/etc, but there is also a problem with the items we don’t think of as processed food – like yoghurt, breakfast cereal, and other items people who cook their own food use, are full of sugar now. Even “unhealthy” treats like biscuits have become worse. They have removed fats in favour of sugar.

    • Well, to be in keeping with the smoking campaigns then it should be a picture of clogged arteries, rather than actual people. We don’t victimise smokers by puting pictures of actual people dying of cancer on the packets, but rather the pictures of their lungs.

      Surely we need to ban people buying unhealthy food before they become fat, rather than leaving it until some damage has been done and is much more difficult to undo. But people won’t accept that!!

      Interestingly, I was at the doctors yesterday for a repeat prescription and she was running through the usual list of checks and said “I can see your BMI is healthy, so don’t need to check that”. However, she’s wrong! My BMI is 29. Now, I don’t necessarily think it’s a great measurement, and for my muscle level I shouldn’t be in the lower half of my “healthy” BMI range, but I also shouldn’t be at 29. We have become too used to looking at overweight people that we can no longer spot it.

    • The solution is activity levels as much as diet. Driving short distances has to be made less attractive than walking and can only really be done through cost. Easy in theory, tough in reality.

      • mo replied 6 months ago

        Activity doesn’t burn many calories in many of us. I am more hungry when I have exercised, but I don’t need any more food. I got fatter when I was training for my winter mountain leader assessment. 5 days a week winter mountaineering and I got more flabby. I ate a tiny fracture more than normal, but really only a tiny bit more. It wasn’t that I gained muscle, I was visibly flabbier.

        I have been reading interesting stuff recently about our sleep levels having a huge impact on our weight. This could tie in with me gaining fat while preparing for winter mountain leader, I did many very early starts and probably was sleep deprived a lot of the time.

        • Whilst there might be something in extreme events, sleep deprivation, etc.. triggering different reactions in the body to store more. Plus varying metabolic rates. I doubt these effect more than a few percent of the population and don’t remove the fact that if you don’t eat it, you can’t store. We are genetically cut out for having so much food available. We spent hundreds of thousands of years foraging and grazing, this farming malarkey and food surplus is a bit new.

          Being over weight doesn’t kill people, it’s the physical conditions it increases the odds of that gets people.

          • mo replied 6 months ago

            They reckon that as few as four nights of reduced sleep (I think they said 6 hours or less) has a significant impact on weight. In our fast paced, 24/7 world this is a serious problem.

            Yes, you are right that if you don’t eat it, you can’t store it. Hence why food is so much more important than exercise! The studies on sleep deprivation causing weight loss were saying that lack of sleep makes us feel hungrier, reduces our rational thinking to make good food decisions and also has a physiological impact on the way our bodies store fat.

            I’m not saying that I would avoid exercise, I am highly active and appreciate the benefits to my overall health, just saying that it doesn’t reduce fat in many people. Exercise keeps you fit and largely healthy and food determines your weight.

          • “I doubt these effect more than a few percent of the population and don’t remove the fact that if you don’t eat it, you can’t store.”

            It is easy to say this until you have been in a situation where something unusual for you impacts on your appetites…Steriods being a common example.

            I gained significantly more weight than I should have when pregnant (no idea how much, as I haven’t weighed myself since giving birth, as the only time I weighed myself when pregnant I had a mini breakdown!!). The reason I gained so much was because I felt nauseous every day for 8 months, nausea took the place of normal hunger sensation, and at it’s worse if I didn’t eat for more than 2 hours I would vomit. Carbs tended to be the best thing for settling my stomach. The only healthy thing I craved was apples as they took the metallic taste that I constantly had in my mouth away (it became about a 5 a day habit). It was grime. If food wasn’t as easily available I wouldn’t have gain so much, but would have suffered a whole lot more. I now have to battle to loose all the weight I gained, and feel very self conscious about it.

        • Eating 100kcals of sugar and sitting on your butt, will force your body to store fat just the same as 100kcals of slow release carbs and doing nothing. There is a greater chance you’ll move in the 3hr hours after a pile of pasta, so even for the most lazy some of pasta might not be converted to fat. The sugars and their boost/ subsequent slump will cause other problems though.

    • nick replied 6 months ago

      It seems like there need to be some big shifts in society, I think. I think we can’t continue with being sedentary for much of the time, and the levels of salt and sugar and refined carbs that are being consumed by many. In the UK certainly, I think we’re going to break the NHS with obesity and diabetes related health problem, and maybe alcohol too if the related hospital admissions keep going up (our heart related health problems are higher than some EU countries too I gather, thinking about salt). I’m lucky enough to have grown up in an active family, and in a family with enough money to eat widely and healthily and that kind of thing, so I’m wary of judging, but It’s hard not to worry.