• andypandy replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days ago

    I’m not sure bleaches and antimicrobial cleaners do leave much of anything behind, the 99.99% claim is more to do with what’s provable than what’s probable. Sure, there probably are some extremophiles that can survive in bleach or other cleaning products but they’re not likely to be found in your kitchen or bog to begin with.

  • mo replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days ago

    Has society become too germ adverse that it is becoming unhealthy?

    Yes, I think so. There are certain places you want to be germ free like an operating theatre or a food production line, but otherwise a bit of dirt don’t hurt.

    Leaving behind 0.01% of the bacteria is not good because the ones that survive are resistant to the anti-bacterial agent…[Read more]

  • mo replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days ago

    I guess if you are counting micro-organisms as animals.

    Wild enough a claim to make me find this: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171019143012.htm

    Laboratory mice that are given the gut bacteria of wild mice can survive a deadly flu virus infection and fight colorectal cancer dramatically better than laboratory mice with their own…[Read more]

  • flyguy replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days ago

    Poorly worded op, as usual from me.

    But are we killing good bacteria as a consequence in our guest to kill harmful germs. Have we become germ adverse which is being played upon by advertisers selling Stuff like bleach and hand gells?

  • isac replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    that would be my stance. We live in a sea of microorganisms and viral material. We can’t function well without a decent set of bacteria so we shouldn’t be too fussy with some rigorous exceptions, 2 notable items being general cleanliness and hand hygeine round defecation and separation of foods that need to be cooked from those eaten without cooking.

  • jim replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    I think there is some middle ground no? Too clean isn’t great but too little and everyone dies of cholera.

  • isac replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    speak for yourself – I’m more archaeon, fungal and viral than human …

  • fred99 replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Given that we are more bacterial than human, trying to kill ever bacteria around us and on us isn’t likely to do us any favours.

  • chris90 replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Children who grow up on farms and/or have pets tend to be less likely to have allergies, and I think asthma is more common among people who grow up in homes with greater cleanliness, but I’m not sure whether that’s down to the products used or to the lack of healthily challenging bacteria. I recently read with a certain amount of surprise and…[Read more]

  • gutted replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    99.99% i think you’ll find.

    The funny thing is that few seem to question, is whether it kills all species to the same 99.99% level… which they don’t. Some bacteria are completely annihilated, others survive relatively unscathed. Whether the one that is unscathed is pathogenic or not is anybody’s guess. Even if the pathogens are always being…[Read more]

  • timo replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Has society become too germ adverse that it is becoming unhealthy?

    I think the exercise aversion and the vegetable aversion are far more significant to our health.

    If widespread use of cleaning products is bad for us (like it is bad for the environment) it may be more directly, inhalation etc., rather than through the removal of germs.

  • bigmouth replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    We don’t need them – some lab animals are raised perfectly healthily in a microbe free environment.

    But – and its a massive but – if we are to live with bacteria, we really need to live with the right ones.

    I don’t think it’s wild to speculate that the next two decades will see a slew of discoveries and treatments based around an under…[Read more]

  • nab replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Absolutely. Plenty of evidence shows this modern obsession with cleanliness is bad for us. Only today on the Radio there was a piece about how Leukaemia rates are rising and its linked with lack of exposure and socialisation of children with germs

  • flyguy replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Too right they are! They help “tolerise” our immune system so it knows what is safe or dangerous so it responds appropriately. 99.99% of the bacteria form a biome that keeps the 0.01% of nasty bacteria in check.

  • mark1 replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    There are 10 times more bacterial cells in our bodies than human ones, I’m guessing they’re rather important! Although I have no idea how they benefit us, maybe someone on here knows…

  • mule replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    If we didn’t have germs we wouldn’t need bog roll.>

    I spent a weekend in a Hare Krishna place in the 80’s. There were monks there who lived a ‘Vedic’ lifestyle, they didn’t use toilet paper… They all seemed in good physical health.

  • robbie replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    If we didn’t have germs we wouldn’t need bog roll.
    Or would we just die instead?

    We’ve never been particularly clean in our house and we’ve got three healthy children who have rarely had the need to pay the GP a visit.

    Germs are good.

  • martin replied to the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    99.99% i think you’ll find.

    But how quickly do they come back.14 divisions and they’re back to original numbers.

    Also, all the biocides in waste water are knocking out the sewage works.

    On the other hand, sepsis sounds horrible, so maybe there is some centre ground.

  • flyguy started the topic kills 99.9% of germs? in the forum Health 3 days, 5 hours ago

    Has society become too germ adverse that it is becoming unhealthy?

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